In order to understand the largest variety of people in the world, I’m planning throughout my life to successfully learn how to speak 8 languages, largely based on the most common languages in the world.
“…trolling used to be pretty funny and almost entirely harmless. Trolling, despite the modern usage, does not mean “the act of pissing somebody off and laughing about their anger.” It is “the act of pissing somebody off BASED ON SOMETHING COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS and laughing about their MISPLACED anger.” It isn’t considered trolling to leave a comment full of racial epithets and laugh when people “don’t get it.” It is trolling if you leave a comment insisting on the wrong information about something irrelevant – how many runes are on a Stargate, for example (everybody knows its 12) – and wait for the ONE guy that just can’t let the transgression pass. If you start a fake fight with Prof. Stargate, dragging him deeper and deeper until hopefully, finally, even he has to stop and think “wait a minute, this is ridiculous,” that is trolling. That’s the difference: No actual harm is caused, and even the victim can eventually get in on the joke. “Trolling” isn’t referring to hiding behind a fortification and trying to hurt people like the mythical creature. It’s referring to the style of fishing – you drag bait across the bottom hoping to get a rare bite. It’s not ‘bait’ if you’re earnestly spouting your misogynistic beliefs and somebody gets upset. There’s nothing funny about entirely justified anger.”—Robert Brockway, http://www.robertbrockway.net/2013/07/18/its-not-a-game-if-you-cant-lose/ (via pelikinesis)
"i wish i was born in the 90s" says the young girl. suddenly, her surroundings change- french flags fly above and around her, crowds are cheering. it is france, 1793. the king is dead. long live the revolution.
imagine being a newborn baby. u could fuck with people so hard. like someone goes “oh, how old are you?” you go “55”. they get confused as fuck. “wtf? u dont look close to 55”. at this point u have the upper hand. you smirk, and say “55…minutes”. everyone gets a good laugh. imagine
Does that at all respond to the actual premise of not fighting hate with hate? I understand that people use that argument as an excuse to be dismissive of real problems, but what good is being just as vile going to do?
that’s the thing. we can’t be “just as vile” or have you seen white people being colonized? have you seen women raping men at epidemic levels? who has political power? white cis men. we do not have the power to do as you do. any hatred we might have stems from an entirely different place than yours
people like you who argue we “fight hate with hate” see us as battling on an equal playing field with you- like some sort of fist fight we can just walk away from
when the truth is, we’re clinging to the side of a cliff and you’re stomping on our fingers. and you don’t even want us to bite and scratch so you can stop stomping on our fingers for two fucking seconds and we can get on our feet
I wasn’t trying to be combative, so I’d rather the tone not get that way. If it’s of any relevance, I’m a hispanic male, in case you assumed I was some cozy upper class white dude.
You have a fair point in that you couldn’t reach the same levels of poison simply because you’re not in the position to do so, that makes enough sense to me. You’re right about that, but being cruel back doesn’t seem good at all. It seems to be fighting for a tomorrow where we end up just as divided as we are today. It sets examples for people that will continue to believe, because history will constantly have shown us, that hate wins. That doing things in such a way is right.
I would never say that your anger and hatred isn’t just, but the actions and words that follow that make it seem that the day that things are set straight, the hatred and stigma won’t go away, because it’s been fueling people for so long. I’m sorry, I think I had more to say, and more eloquently phrased, but I lost my train of thought. I just want to make it clear that I’m just trying to understand your reasoning thoroughly, not that I’m just going to dismiss you as wrong.
More importantly, what is the goal of responding with “hate” supposed to be anyway?
If the goal is to persuade, then the playing field doesn’t matter.
If the goal is to hurt, then that doesn’t accomplish anything except get some good self-feelings and perhaps some sense of vengeance accomplished, which doesn’t further anything at all except some temporary short-gain that puts people on the defensive and less likely to listen to persuasion in the future.